With some recent exchanges in mind, I thought I would do a blog on the subject of my atheism and, if possible, briefly touch on why I have some reservations regarding the assumption that faith should not be held up to questioning and logical analysis. I do not, however, wish to spend an inordinate amount of time on the subject of atheism, as there is more to my life than what I don't believe in, and I have noticed that once you open this can of worms, it tends to simply devolve and regress, with little being accomplished. On the other hand, I am always aware that there are people out there who are genuinely using their minds and thinking, and do benefit, possibly, from these ideas.
To begin with, it is important that the increasingly touted claim that atheists are rival fundamentalists is disregarded. First off, atheism, as I have argued before at great length, is not a positive belief system. It has no cognitive or truth content per se. In fact, the only way in which atheism has a 'truth content' is to the extent that it does not accept the truth claims of theists and those believing in supreme beings and gods and all that sort of thing. However, the obvious jump that the mind makes is to associate atheists with atheistic scientists. But, no, this is not, strictly speaking, acceptable.
I have known atheists who were not even familiar with the basic tenets of evolution, and who had some very strange reasons for their atheism. That being said, there is no doubt that evolution and science have convinced many of us that, critically speaking, religious belief crumbles at the first touch of common sense or empirical evidence. Yes, science does tend to destabilize one's religious belief, and, if it doesn't, I have some sincere doubts about your intellectual honesty and/ or rigour of thinking.
I can at this point venture into the well-trodden fields of Natural Selection versus Intelligent Design to provide a rational and factual basis for why science discredits religious belief in a creator God, but I do not wish to spend too much time giving a technical explanation yet again, especially since people are usually not interested in thinking about empirical evidence. If it becomes apparent that I do need to go into a technical diatribe on Natural Selection, then I shall gladly rehash it for the umpteenth billionth time, and I'll continue to do so if people genuinely want to talk about it. For this blog, I shall skip over it though.
So, if science does indeed challenge faith, then is it a rival fundamentalism or belief structure of its own? I would say no. Firstly, science must not be understood as absolute. It develops all the time. Just recently, I amended, not discredited, a scientist's research from a few years earlier. I have also had to revise my own work when evidence to the contrary arose. In other words, science will never give you an absolutist sense of the universe. It is not an immutable, unchangeable body of information (such as certain religions' holy books). In this sense, you can't look to it for comfort in the same way that you look to religion. It will not allow you to be content with taking the day off from thinking (an easier, but not necessarily desirable option for a number of reasons).
Most importantly, if evidence to God's existence or to disprove evolution came along, I would change my position, and I would not feel like an 'atheist apostate' for doing so, as there is nothing wrong with changing one's mind when rational evidence compels one to do so. Indeed, that is entirely my point. Atheism is a rejection of a set of beliefs, and scientific inquiry is not the antidote to religious belief. It cannot really fill that sort of gap. However much it may appear that it does, this is a complete misunderstanding of science.
Scientific research is understanding and seeking to understand natural phenomena and the monist reality of the universe, mainly in the effort of improving life on earth, which relates it to secular humanism. But this humanism is an ethos, not a religion, and should not be confused with religion, unless we give people a destructively misleading idea of science and secular humanism. It is destructively misleading because it makes people think they are believing in a theory of ultimacy or some absolutist ideal. This is patently untrue. If anything, atheism and science discourage and stand in the face of absolutist visions of reality and view them as deeply harmful. Even those things that are largely substantiated by mountains of empirical evidence are not absolute in the sense that there is, however highly unlikely it may be, the possibility for evidence to the contrary to emerge.
I do not believe in God because there is no evidence and there is a good deal of evidence for Natural Selection. I, however, am strongly invested in the idea of evidence and validation. I distrust faith because it is not subject to proof and validation. To call atheism a form of faith is absurd, as it would suggest that such things as empirical proof and logic do not exist in it.
No Christian, Muslim, or Jew, members of the three religions of the book, would ever say if evidence to the contrary emerged he or she would stop believing in God or Allah. Of course, they would not. As it says in Hebrews 11:1, 'Now FAITH is the substance of things HOPED for, the EVIDENCE of things unseen.' Well, this sentence should be all the evidence of the chasm between reason and faith one could ever need. What is the 'substance' of faith? 'Things hoped for' (i.e. God, afterlife, spiritual realm), and faith is here cited as the 'evidence' of that which can't be seen (the immaterial, spiritual realm). Faith is what we hope exists, and this faith stuff is evidence for the unseen / unknowable stuff (that stuff we really wish existed). Does the term 'circular reasoning' come to mind? Faith=things hoped for=evidence of things hoped for=faith.
In other words, and this really does touch the core of religious thinking, wanting something to be true and making it true are one and the same. This is why belief is so terribly powerful and central to religious faith (to the point that they had to come up with eternal torture as a means of convincing people to believe). When belief ends, so does the evidence for why you believe. In effect, your faith collapses.
Okay, okay, so many people ask me at this point why I should care one way or the other. If people want to believe what they want to believe, why not just allow them to do so, and leave it at that? Well, I agree to the extent that I am not ever going to try and actively persuade or force someone to leave their faith, although when questioned I will explain my positions to them (and even get somewhat passionate and angry if I am having a bad day). However, nonetheless, it concerns me, because like it or not, if you can't argue logically with people, then there is nothing —except perhaps some very interpretable and contradictory passages in holy books—to keep them from doing whatever they want to do in the name of their faith. If someone truly believes what she or he believes, and therefore feels no need to use logic to analyse it (i.e. that homosexual act done in private hurt no one, nor did it harm anything but our faith's moral prescriptions), then how can we argue when a fascist Islamic state does things like this to homosexuals?
It might seem barbaric, but if you have faith and believe, then it is perfectly 'reasonable'. And please don't think I am saying that people don't do equally atrocious things without religious motivation, because they do. The point is, rather, that when people do things in the name of politics, money, power, sadism, then we denounce it and argue against it. But faith has this wonderful way of claiming exemption. More frustratingly, how can we say religious violence, intolerance, bigotry, and religion's obsessive tendency to meddle in other people's private lives is wrong when faith lacks any sort of objective criteria to judge it by (save its holy books and less said about that the better)? I can't argue with them using logic, so what am I supposed to do? Respect their right to hang homosexuals? And on a side note, I am not picking on Islam. I have no doubt the Christians would do the same if they could realise a Christian fascist state.
In the end, since it would be utterly oxymoronic to try and force someone to use reason, what do you do? I tend to think there has to be a massive movement towards reaching my age group and younger with rationalism and secular humanism. I am fairly certain that this is the most suitable way of avoiding the proliferation of faith-based thinking and politics.

15 comments:
This was excellent stuff! What would you anticipate as the religious community's comebacks or rejoinders if they responded to such an argument?
How would you say that people are moral then? Like you attacked people from hanging homosexuals but so how o you say it is wrong for them to do that if you have no absolute sense of right and wrong through a religion?
I personally found this blog very offensive. Don't get me wrong. I've followed your writing with interest since you started, and I like your style and energy, but how can you just whack into faith like that? Don't you have any respect for the idea that there are things that exist in a spiritual world outside of science?Or has your education convinced you that only stupid people dare think such thoughts? Well, it is a long and lonely road you are going to have to walk down my dear. I am truly sorry because you are a gifted person and the Church desperately needs young people like you right now. It is a tragedy. Your life is a tragedy.
I dunno sarah, I think the church has had its fill of young people recently...perhaps they should stick to people their own age, hmmm?
Yeah, that was a child molestation jab. Can't get enough of 'em, just like the priests, apparently...
It's funny how people immediately jump to the 'lonely' and 'unloved' tags right away, as apparently you can never love or be complete without blind obedience in something you can't point to, because YOU JUST GOTTA HAVE FAITH! Heh, I love that argument--that faith, by its very nature, must escape reason and logic. That's a circular straw-man argument if I've ever seen one.
And honey, the spiritual world's been around a helluva lot longer than anything Christians can cough up--does the eastern spiritual faiths sound familiar to anyone? Although in that instance, the term 'faith' is loosely used, more like a placeholder for dumb westerners that can't grasp something outside of the physical without tacking on Jesus.
Speaking of the Eastern peeps again, I love the whole idea that the Earth has only been around for a few thousand years. I mean, forget all about China and their empires long before BC ever gave way to AD. I mean, hell, the Chinese invented umbrellas well over 4000 years ago alone. Yeah, if the Christians and their ilk can have their goddamned 'watchmaker' argument, I'm gonna have my 'umbrella' argument. Chew on that cud, sheep. Yeah, there's more than a double-meaning there. Don't worry, take your time...I'll wait.
Actual blog comment:
Overall, a decent recap/overview/rant. Honestly, what would you classify it as? I'd settle on brain droppings. I think what needs to be clarified is that Atheism hinges upon two intertwined structures : denial and skepticism. I wouldn't say that Atheism depends upon one or the other wholly, and would welcome some clarification from the headmistress.
Atheism to me does not simply deny nor is it locked in the everlasting state of denial--why?--well, because that would assume that there is some ultimate truth that we must rally against, when it really isn't like that. It is a person, just a person mind you, that does not want to have anything to do with a faith-based socio-political structure. To deny would mean that we have give religion and god more credit than it deserves. In fact, wikipedia states that "[d]enial is a defense mechanism, postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial).
We are not denying so much as outright refuting. Heck, all religions are inherently self-refuting ideas. That brings me to to the other aspect of the atheistic structure: skepticism.
Now don't mistake this for religious skepticism--that has it's own term: agnosticism. No, instead, we are skeptics in the truest sense of the word: following a methodology of judgment prescribed by what is proven false and what has, as of yet, has been proven true thus far. As Laura points out, if there was any evidence to prove atheism false beyond a shadow of a doubt, or hell, give us even a little shade, and we'd recant for a bit to study, collect data and come up with a better theory. BECAUSE THAT IS HOW THIS SHIT WORKS.
All in all, this comment is long and the ending is kooky. But then again, I don't need to explain myself to you. Yeah, you. Why? Cause I have faith in your understanding and ability to carry out the logic on your own. OMG FAITH MISPLACED. It happens all the time...mostly on Sundays here in America. I got a new idea: have faith in humanity and do the right thing because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Novel concept, I know. Trademark pending cause apparently no religion has beaten me to the punch.
this was a good post actually. i think it did a good job on the topic of the problem of faith. the point of the blog is that faith has no outside rational that it has to measure up against. i think thus that the argument about morality indicates that people are not following the point of the blog. the point was that people can do things that we would normally call very bad and escape unquestioned. i am shcoked by how many people did not immediantly get this idea!
And I'm shocked that that's the only idea that came to mind. Good job at an anti-analytical and anti-critical analysis while passing blame on others. You're good at this! You a Christian? ;)
I'm sorry Sarah. It was not my intention to offend. I was trying to give an honest assessment of how I view faith, and why I have reservations about the bubble we have erected around faith in our society.
I don't think it is okay that people are taught that blind obedience to something that has so little to do with reason is a greater virtue than sceptism and logic.
Rich, shouldn't not inflicting suffering and death upon other human beings who didn't steal, kill, rape, pillage etc. be considered more important than obeying laws written down in an apocryphal book?
See, I don't have an absolutist moral code, but I believe that human survival depends upon ethics--which is weighing the impact your actions have on the life forms around you. Moreover, inflicting suffering on organisms that can feel pain and suffering is something we don't normally enjoy doing as evolved humans, because we are capable of empathy. And logically, why hurt people needlessly? Yes, some will be motivated to do so out of greed and selfishness, but people with religion are just as prone to that as the next person.
Also, there is, like I said, logic. When we are guided by our own sense of logic and reason, we can maneuver around quite a few ethical pitfalls to find equitable solutions at a community and global level. True, it will never be fool-proof and absolute like yours purports to be, but it has many advantages over dogmatic thinking.
HookerforJesus,
I take your point about denial. I think, however, that if what I was defining as a rejection of a certain truth content was 'denial,' then it would have to be arguing against evidence that God exists, and I guess my main point is that faith does not have evidence. So denial, like you mentioned, is the wrong word to be using here. Thanks for the clarification.
Meh, I left a lot to be desired in my clarification of denial. I normally compose things in a word document so that I can go over what I've written, double check things for consistency and whatnot. I had a section that went missing directly after the wiki link about how it is not entirely denial at all, which segued into refutation. But hey, as long as you got what I meant. See, *THIS* is what I'm talking about: I don't have to come out and say it but am lucky enough to be talking to someone smart enough to rub sticks together to get that ol' divine spark. Prometheus would be proud.
Nice job!These ideas, if not 100% true, are worthy of consideration. Religion has hijacked the world and anyone who tries to insist otherwise is simply ignoring reality.
Brian, your comment cuts nicely to the heart of the matter, albeit in a nonchalant way. Nothing can ever be said to be 100% true. That is the basis of all scientific inquiry as well. Nothing is said to be 100% true but just accepted theories that HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN FALSE AS OF YET (I leave that emphasis on there just so we don't get attacked by religious nutters claiming that I'm deflowering my argument).
In the end, we humans communicate in a game of semantics where words never really broach a full meaning or understanding. Therefore, that is why I've just wasted a few minutes of my time on a diatribe about the word 'true' and whether or not there is even any truth content in the word baring it's moniker. But hey, brian, thanks for bringing it up. Laura and I always look forward to intelligent comments. It's a shame yours is the first one, though.
This was by far the best you've done to date. You should do more!
fucking awesome blog!
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